Basically how this works in terms of game rules in a tournament setting is that the non-active player gets the final say before the active player is forced to progress the game state. So let's say a player establishes an infinite life combo and gains an immeasurably large amount of life, then passes the turn and on that players turn, that player assembles a combo that deals infinite damage. In the case of the Walking Ballista combo against the Spike Feeder combo specifically, the ballista player would win because the Spike Feeder would never go above it's current number of counters--unless something like Hardened Scales also makes the Spike Feeder infinitely large--so the ballista player just shoots the Spike Feeder for lethal damage and then once the Spike Feeder player stops looping, the feeder would die and break up the combo, leaving the ballista player to deal infinite damage to the opponent unimpeded, but for sake of the question let's assume whatever infinite damage combo can only target players. Let's just say that the Spike feeder's controller also controls an [[Asceticism]]. So basically the way that would pan out is on the Ballista player's turn they'd attempt to deal infinite damage and in response the Spike Feeder player would gain infinite life. Any time you establish an infinite loop, what you actually do is just select an arbitrary number, as long as it's mathematically possible with the cards provided. In other words, the amount of life the Spike Feeder player gains can't be an odd number, but other than that it can be any number. So when the active player says "I'm going to shoot you a billion times," his/her opponent says "I'll gain two billion life." So the active player, in the stalemate presented, picks an arbitrary number, then the non-active player picks an arbitrary number, presumably one that is higher than the one the opponent picked, and from there the active player is forced to make a progressive play to keep the game moving, so then the ballista player passes the turn presumably. Then on the Spike Feeder player's turn the opposite happens: as soon as the Feeder player attempts to do anything to progress the game, the ballista player will attempt to shoot infinitely, the active player will choose a large amount of life to gain, then the ballista player will choose a large amount of damage to deal, presumably enough to kill the opponent. Because the active player can't continuously loop and needs to advance the gamestate, they are forced to let themselves die to the ballista combo when they are the active player. I'm not a judge, so I may be off with this but this is how a similar scenario was explained to me by a judge. Show Asked by flyguy 8 years agoLet's say I gained infinite life, and you had an infinite damage combo. What would happen? Also, what if I gained infinite life in increments of 2 and you dealt damage to me in increments of 1? What about vice-versa? What if I gain infinite life more than once? What I am trying to say is, how does infinite damage/ life stack. I know that in some forms of math, one type of infinite is more than another, and infinites can stack. Does this apply to MTG? How so? This discussion has been closedYes, you can. All damage dealt by the creature will loop (repeat infinitely) and all damage dealt by the creature will gain you life. Yes, it is an infinite life combo. Note that there is no infinite in Magic. So, at some point you have to say that you have gained 1 000 000 000 life, then deal damage to something else to end the loop. September 16, 2014 9:28 a.m.There are some infinite loops in MTG (Oblivion Ring on an Oblivion Ring exiling an Oblivion Ring with no other non-land permanents on board), but they result in forced draws so they are not good for winning games. As Boza said though "infinite" life and damage is merely incomprehensibly large. Most people just pick their favorite number over 1 trillion and name it. The immature crowd probably like 1 Sextillion (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) I prefer a googol or Grahm's Number depending on how pretentious I am feeling. September 16, 2014 10:25 a.m.Earlier in the game an Infinity Elemental was given Lifelink and dealt damage, giving me infinite life. I have a Form of the Dragon in play, so that at my end step my life total becomes 5. Rule 119.5 states
The ruling on Infinity Elemental states
On one hand, "the necessary amount of life to end up with the new total" seems to indicate that I must end up at 5 life, but the ruling seems to indicate that not even an infinite loss of life can change my life total (infinity minus infinity being mathematically undefined aside). Which one controls?
asked Jan 30, 2021 at 20:40
 There is a ruling on this already in gatherer. You said it was rule 119.5 but it is also a ruling on this card. So in this situation your life becomes 5 at the end of each turn regardless of being set to infinity because of life link.
The other gather ruling even makes reference to the ruling that is right below it which I have listed above.
answered Jan 30, 2021 at 22:47
Joe WJoe W 13.6k2 gold badges44 silver badges68 bronze badges 3 IMHO (we can't be sure; it's an Un- card after all), the rulings on Infinity Elemental reflect the 'common' properties of the mathematical concept of infinity (Aleph null), at least partially: infinity plus or minus a finite number is still infinity. The fact that "In fact, you can be hit by an opposing Infinity Elemental and still be at infinite life." surprises me; infinity minus infinity is usually undefined, not infinity. It's safe to say the comprehensive rules don't have to say anything about this, but if I would need to house-rule this: I would say that Form of the Dragon trumps Infinity Elemental, since it doesn't modify your life total by adding or subtracting, but rather by setting it to a specific number. answered Jan 30, 2021 at 20:57
Glorfindel♦Glorfindel 28.6k6 gold badges87 silver badges133 bronze badges 7 Given that there will be no official answer for rule questions about silver-bordered cards; in my opinion you should have 5 life. It is unclear whether 119.5 is describing the mechanism by which you follow the instructions to set your life to a specific value, or whether it I’d describing a natural consequence that comes from setting your life to a specific value. The latter is the more natural interpretation to me, and if interpreted this way, then there is no contradiction. You set your life total to 5, and 119.5 says that this counts as losing as much life as necessary for that to happen (which would be an undefined or infinite amount). It doesn’t matter whether that amount is a real number or not; 119.5 is just explaining that it counts as loss of life. answered Jan 30, 2021 at 21:13
GendoIkariGendoIkari 69.9k4 gold badges150 silver badges268 bronze badges You must log in to answer this question.Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .Can you go infinite in MTG?The game does not end. You cannot do something infinitely. While you do not have to do every step of a combo you do have to announce how many times you do it. This number must be finite but can be as large as you want.
What happens when you go infinite in MTG?Here's the plan: Get Mortal Combat onto the battlefield, then cast Enter the Infinite. Unfortunately, Enter the Infinite says you have no maximum hand size until your next turn, so you'll need a way to discard cards as well.
Is there a way to get infinite mana?The Infinite Mana Potion is a Potion/item that will grant infinite mana for 30s and a debuff of mana sickness for 10 seconds. As of now, the item is only obtainable by killing the Jumping Crab in hardmode.
Can you stop an infinite combo MTG?Responding to any of the triggers and removing either permanent will stop the infinite combo, unless the opponent can respond by drawing a card in any way to keep the combo going in response.
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