Can red oak and white oak be stained to match

I patched two sections of hardwood floor this week (where the floor furnaces used to be), took a sample of old board to the flooring supplier who said it was white oak. I did a dandy job of fitting new wood to old, offset the joints to disguise the new work, sanded flush and feathered out a ways into the old wood.

It was then that I discovered that the old wood is red oak, not white, so my patch sticks out like a sore thumb. Old boards had no stain on them, just nice yellowing from the polyurethane varnish.

So what do you guys suggest to shift color of white oak to look nice and golden like the red oak?

Thanks,

BruceT

Can red oak and white oak be stained to match

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Discussion Starter · #1 · Apr 27, 2012

Another project I'm working on is fixing( replacing) a few drawers in my camp kitchen. I want to order the drawers unfinshed notched and bored. I'd do them myself but the notch and bore is over my head. Any how the company doesn't offer 1/2" white oak ply bottoms, just red. The drawers need to be white oak. I have tried a few sample pieces using the Mohawk wiping stain 545 burnt umber and the red oak of course is a tad oranger then the white when stained. Is there a way to get them to match better or do I just have to deal with the difference .?

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Another project I'm working on is fixing( replacing) a few drawers in my camp kitchen. I want to order the drawers unfinshed notched and bored. I'd do them myself but the notch and bore is over my head. Any how the company doesn't offer 1/2" white oak ply bottoms, just red. The drawers need to be white oak. I have tried a few sample pieces using the Mohawk wiping stain 545 burnt umber and the red oak of course is a tad oranger then the white when stained. Is there a way to get them to match better or do I just have to deal with the difference .?

Some White Oak looks the same as Red Oak. If you are that concerned you might be better off going to a lumber yard and picking up some White Oak plywood. Or, if you have the lumber, rip it into sections, and half lap them together.

Can red oak and white oak be stained to match

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It would take some tinkering with samples first but you can mask the rest of the drawer and spray the red oak with a green dye stain to counteract the red in the red oak. Then you can stain it like white oak. Now when I say stain it green I don't mean green like green paint. It's more alcohol than green so it's just enough to take the red out. The green dye is an aniline dye which can be obtained in powders or is available premixed with wood alcohol.
http://www.mohawk-finishing.com/catalog_browse.asp?ictNbr=178

It might be a lot simpler to see if you can order the drawers unassembled. Then you can cut and install you own 1/2" white oak bottoms.

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all the red oak I've messed with was definatly reddish/ pink. it will lighten over time but shows back up when the finish is on. I'm thinking you may have to bleach it first.

I don't know, but I'll be looking in to see all the answers you get

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You can bleach it with Oxalic Acid then stain to match. May not be a bad idea to also bleach the white oak to reduce the difference even further.

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Discussion Starter · #6 · Apr 27, 2012

I actually have some green aniline dye kicking around that i used in some intarsien projects.I'll dilute it down and give it a shot. Thanks never thought of that.

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You can bleach it with Oxalic Acid then stain to match. May not be a bad idea to also bleach the white oak to reduce the difference even further.

Oxalic acid is not the bleach that removes the natural color from wood. For that you want a two part A/B bleach. Many paint stores carry it or it can be bought on the internet.

Oxalic acid is the bleach used to remove mineral (water and black mark) stains from wood. It doesn't do much to remove natural wood color.

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HowardAcheson said:

Oxalic acid is not the bleach that removes the natural color from wood. For that you want a two part A/B bleach. Many paint stores carry it or it can be bought on the internet.

Oxalic acid is the bleach used to remove mineral (water and black mark) stains from wood. It doesn't do much to remove natural wood color.

Mixed with denatured alcohol it does make an effective wood bleach but is milder than the A/B solutions. It all depends on how much change is required. Mixed with hot water and Sodium Hypophosphite it will remove stains. The Hydrogen Peroxide/Sodium Hydroxide bleaches are more aggressive and I would strongly urge some experimentation to determine which one works best.

Which is better red oak or white oak?

According to the Janka hardness scale, white oak's rating is 1360, while red oak has a 1290 hardness rating. The difference is small, and even if white oak is harder, red oak may still be a better option for its visual appeal.

What stain goes well with red oak?

Staining Tips and Ideas.
Duraseal stain mix of 60% Fruitwood and 40% Country white – the fruitwood is warm and the country white should mask the pink..
Duraseal Silvered Gray is also light, and the green undertones in the color reduce pink/yellow tones..

How do you neutralize red oak?

Notice how green is opposite of red on the color wheel. This means that adding some green to a stain will help neutralize or hide the red in red oak. Plus anytime you mix a primary color with its opposite on the color wheel, you get brown.

Can you match red and white oak?

I've seen it happen too often where a customer (or contractor) has mismatched the wood with red oak in some areas and white oak in others. This means that your wood will never completely match – the graining will be different and the stain color will be different.